violent weather on the horizon. storms sweep through parts of the mid-atlantic. but more's on the way, so where's it headed? president obama on the next leg of his asia tour. an historic visit to a country with a missing plane still in the headlines. rand paul with a message to the gop. among his comments, this. >> you go to a republican event and it's all white people. >> you're going to hear what else he said as he tries to grow the republican party. and the latest drone strikes this week. did they hit some of al qaeda's top members? how focused is the terror group

on the top targets? reaction from one congressional leader. hey, there, everyone, high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. in the west. new this hour, a severe weather threat from texas to the carolinas. they come after several twisters were seen in north carolina on friday. that town was hit really hard with hail. huge hail balls fell from the sky. now, dr. greg postel from the weather channel with more. >> we have a powerful storm moving in from the rockies, and it's going to take its sweet time. we not only have the chance for storms today, it's going to last into early next week. let's look at what we've got today. it's actually tonight. i think most of today's going to be quiet across the plains.

i don't think we'll get big storms until this evening, sunset time, shortly thereafter. the chance of storms exist with the possibility of some tornadoes. what we can do is time it out for you and show you the area the thunderstorms will likely get going. the air is converging at low levels, right along those directions. thunderstorms, if they get going this evening, will do so around this area. all modes of severe weather are possible. hail, high winds, maybe even some tornadoes. probably late overnight tonight, the storms weaken after midnight or so. then we have to turn our attention to tomorrow. i think tomorrow could be a much more potent day. widespread coverage of severe weather is possible with, again, hail, high winds and tornadoes all the way from parts of the northern plains, down through the midsouth and the arklatex region there. stay tuned for all the latest details, guys.

because this stystem, this powerful system, is going to be slowly working its way through. we'll have a lot of wind energy aloft. those strong winds aloft will help rotate those thunderstorms and a lot of nerve moving northward out of the gulf of mexico. you can essentially add up the ingredients and they add up to quite a bit there. watch out for the possibility of tornadoes tomorrow across that region. as i said, it doesn't stop there. on monday and tuesday, early next week, we got a chance for more severe weather across many of those same location, in the midsouth. on tuesday, perhaps even into the southeast. alex, back to you. >> looks like we have to buckle up for a few days. thank you very much, dr. greg postal. president obama's in malaysia right now arimrriving in kuala lumpur today. it is his third stop in asia. with another good day to you after this morning. talk about what's on the president's agenda in malaysia and what about the missing plane flight 370, is that going to be a topic of discussion? >> i anticipate it will be a topic of discussion when

president obama sits down for a bilateral meeting with the prime minister of malaysia. there's also going to be a joint news conference tomorrow. i wouldn't be surprised if president obama got a question about that or if he offered some comments at the top of that news conference. we'll have to see. of course, this trip overall is a part of the obama administration's attempt to pivot to the asia pacific region. the key topic, when president obama talks to the prime minister will include trade, defense, of course malaysia is one of a dozen countries, that's a member of the transpacific partnership. there have been negotiations about broadening trade deals between asia countries and the united states. of course president obama tried to secure a trade deal earlier this week with japan that didn't happen. he will meet with the opposition leader there, despite calls from

groups to do so. this trip has been overshadowed by the crisis in ukraine. the obama administration saying new sanctions could come against russia as early as monday. also overshadowed by those mideast peace talks that fell apart earlier this week. >> speaking of earlier this week, the president of course visiting south korea. what was his message there. >> well, he reaffirmed the united states commitment to south korea and also had more strong words, stern warning for north korea. essentially saying north korea would only become more isolated if it engaged in further incidents like the nuclear test. >> north korea's continued pursuit of nuclear weapons is a path that leads only to more isolation. it's not a sign of strength. anybody can make threats. anyone can move an army. anyone can show off a missile. that doesn't make you strong. it does not lead to security or

opportunity or respect. those things don't come through force. they have to be earned. >> president obama also thanked american troops who are stationed in south korea. he spoke to them before he left the country and also offered his condolences to the families who have lost loved ones in that ferry accident in south korea. alex. >> okay, thank you so much, kristin well kerr at the white house. >> absolutely. >> and speaking of south korea, all 16 crew members involved in nav gath the sunken ferry arrested on charges of negligence and failing to help passengers in need. now, 187 bodies have been recovered. divers have found 48 of them crammed into a single room all wearing life vests. over 100 still remain unaccounted for. nbc's bill neely has the latest from jindo, south korea. hi, bill. >> reporter: good afternoon. real frustration for the families of more than 100 missing students. searching here has been suspended all day. and with a storm approaching, it may remain suspended for some

time. the police boats are returning empty. no bodies have been brought ashore. they wait for 115 still missing. the rescuers withdrawn due to strong currents and high tides. the families fear their children will never be found. fishing nets have been strung under boats of the sunken ferry. a circle of eight miles. to catch bodies swept out to sea. the weather deteriorating hampers the recovery of bodies, much to the fury of the families who say the operation is already far too slow. divers report seeing children clutching each other. 48 crammed together in one room. they just can't get them out. these photos were posted by one of the students who's still missing. the ship is sinking, he wrote. more than two dozen students

huddled here without life jackets. prosecutors say they were the victims of negligence. investigators found cargo restraints on the ferry's sister ship didn't work. life rafts on the sunken ferry couldn't be freed. the cargo was overweight. the steering faulty. four more crew members have now been arrested. meaning all 15 crew responsible for navigating the ship are now in custody. they say they tried to stabilize it as it sank but couldn't. the long wait goes on for so many families. they have cried their way to exhaustion. most now get medical help. doctors say they're traumatized. and trapped too. waiting for a search that, for now, is going nowhere. but the investigation here has not stopped. prosecutors now building a case against the ferry operators who they suspect of ignoring so many safety rules. alex.

>> nbc's bill neely, thank you, bill. a connecticut town is mourning after a high school student was stabbed to death inside her school. police are investigating whether the attack on 16-year-old maren sanchez happened because she rejected an invitation to the prom. this morning's headline in the hart f hartford current calls her an incredible young woman. >> i saw her legs out from under the stairs and i saw blood. >> members of the school staff performed life-saving measures. on the student. ems was notified. they responded. they too attempted to perform life-saving measures upon the student. >> last night's prom was postponed. and, instead, friends and family held a vigil and released purple balloons in her honor. the suspect, a 16-year-old boy facing a murder charge as a juvenile. expected to be arraigned on monday. it's his party and he'll cry if he wants to. new fallout after house speaker john boehner mocks his gop

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new today, kicking off day two of its annual meeting with sarah palin set to address the crowd tonight. the convention is in indianapolis. on friday, some possible gop presidential contenders spoke. >> we must continue to move ahead. because this right we gather here to defend is so important to who we are as a nation. you've seen the left for a long time and what they've tried to do to erode the second amendment. that's one of the reasons that i became an nra member. in fact, every member of my family is an nra member. even bella is an nra member. >> by the way, whether it comes

to the state of louisiana, we are proud to be clinging to our guns and religion and we're not bitter at all about it, let me tell you that. >> meanwhile, at harvard, senator rand paul reached out to younger votes, speaking at the institute of politics. he stressed the importance of broadening the gop's traditional base. >> what i said repeatedly, the republican party will adapt, evolve or die. they're not big enough. they have to be bigger. they have to include more people. i tell people that the republican party needs to look like the rest of america to have a chance. >> in new york, law enforcement sources tell nbc affiliate wnbc that republican congressman michael grim is expected to face federal criminal charges as early as next week. the charges were not immediately clear but they are believed to center on a private business deal that took place before he was elected to congress. no charges have been filed as of now. the congressman's attorney issued a statement saying he assert it is his innocence of any wrongdoing.

let me bring in staff writer for the writer phillip bump and staff writer for the washington david mcnamara. so phillip, you wrote about congressman grimm's situation in your latest article. many remember him for that heated confrontation just a few months ago, where he threatened a local reporter on camera. being he later apologized. talk to me about this expected indictment and what he's accused of doing. >> so it's not entirely clear yet what exactly the indictment is going to be. acoring to "the new york times," it centers on a health food store he owned on the upper east side in which he had been charged with not paying workman's compensation and not paying his employees fairly and apparently according to "the times" he allegedly lied under oath in a federal lawsuit. which is kind of remarkable just given that grimm has had a very colorful history both as an fbi agent in the private sector and as a congress member. so i don't think this is the thing that people thought would be the biggest challenge to his tenure. >> yeah, absolutely. okay, david, let's move on to the second point.

senator rand paul's comments in which he said the republican party is going to have to adapt, evolve or die. here's more of that. >> that means with tattoos and without tattoos. with earrings and without earrings. black, white, brown. you go to a republican event and it's all white people. not because we're excluding anybody but we haven't done a good enough job encouraging people to come into our party. >> david, how do republicans broaden their base? is it easier said than done? >> it has been for republicans. they've been wrestling with this since the 2012 election in which mitt romney was trounced by president obama with women, minorities. a lot of the party leaders say they want to do something. they want to, you know, maybe go forward on immigration for example. so far, the rank and file just hasn't been able to muster enough unity to pursue any kind of immigration bill, for example. you see other party leaders. prebus of the party started talking to african-american

groups and trying to get across this message that rand paul is doing. rand paul himself is outside the traditional party establishment on some issues. he himself didn't even support the immigration bill in the senate. so as much as they sort of talk the talk, there's still, you know, a lack of a sort of positive message from the bills they're but suing and the legislation they're really going after to sort of make that case more broadly. >> what do you think, though, phillip? do you think rand paul is the guy to broaden the republican party's base, given what he's doing? he's certainly tapped into his father's libertarian base there. he's gone into all these college, across the country. he's not getting booed there in places where you might think he would. is this a good strategy? >> clearly, he's trying to leverage the popularity his father had with the younger voting population over the course of the last two presidential cycles. he doing what he can to try and talk about issues in a way that appeals to constituencies that

aren't typically republican. he has been a strong advocate for reforming the prison sentencing system. there are a lot wof ways in whih he talks about the republican party. for example, in the first clip he showed, he referred to the republican party as they and the republican party, distancing himself. which is by all means intenti intentional. what he's trying to do is say there's another way to do this, and i'm the guy to do it. >> republican policies, do they match his rhetoric? >> the republican party is a lot different things. there's a segment on previous to this which they were talking about what prison reform looks like, and a lot of the things rand paul has been advocating has not been embraced by the republican party. it's going to be interesting to see as his campaign develops, if he jeb rates enough support that the republican party at large thinks they should embrace it as well. >> so much fallout today from house speaker boehner.

threatrically mocking his republican colleagues. first, let's take a look at that. >> oh, don't make me this do. oh this is too hard. >> speaker boehner making these comments in his home district in southwestern ohio. what is this all about? >> the speak, as i mentioned earlier, he's been talking about trying to do immigration reform and he's been unable to sort of get the rank and file to go along with it. eve time he tried to, you saw him put out with the party leadership's blessing this idea of principle, that would pursue a bill that would allow immigrants some sort of status. the rank and file pushed back immediately. they walked it back and blamed president obama. i think people will recognize that. it's a problem. there's a question, you know, does boehner have an overall strategy to advance this? a lot the republican leaders want to do something on immigration before 2016. a growing latino and asian vote is very important. right before the midterms, it does not look like the house

republican caucus wants to go along with it. >> the reaction to all this, phillip, talk about that. in terms of what percentage of republicans do you think feel the same way as john boehner does? >> we've seen over the course of the past ten months or so, this dichotomy between the tea party, conservative far right branch of the republican party and the republican establishment. what boehner was representing with that rather strange performance was the view of the establishment. they want to move forward. they want to do something that addresses this issue and have been blocks from doing so. honestly, it was a fairly baffling performance. he acknowledged there was a camera there and then proceeded to do it. it's hard for me to understand how alien eighting his members and also he's for a long time been blaming president obama, saying -- it was very, very strange and i'm not sure it's going to accomplish what he's

hoping. >> i'm going to ask you both this. the situation with the nevada rancher cliven bundy. >> i think the government's probably going to keep pursuing, you know, the back penalties for him. he didn't help his cause by these comments to "the new york times." i think public opinion is turning against him. largely. if it hadn't already been. >> quite frankly, think his family's doing a disservice by letting him continue to have these press conferences. someone needs to intervene. >> okay, phillip, david mcnamara, thank you. on the mr. bundy theme, we've been asking you on twit we're should happen next. there's been quite the response here, a few of them. saying, u.s. government should go after every dollar he owns for using u.s. land. he should pay. jail seems most appropriate. tweet, all this bundy ranch has done is emboldened idiots.

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preliminary results show former prime minister abdullah abdullah won enough votes but not quite enough to avoid an additional election. trying to determine what caused a massive explosion in a chicago suburb. a house was leveled, but no reports of injuries. about a dozen homes were damaged. a vigil in kiev to, ma the anniversary of the chernobyl nuclear disaster. 28 years ago, the reactor exploded at that plant. hundreds had to leave their hopes as radioactivity spread across europe. let's go now to the very latest in the hunt for missing flight 370. the unmanned sub marriage is nearing its end of the search of the bottom of the indian ocean. so far, turned up nothing. nbc's katie ter has more from perth, australia. >> reporter: there's really two ways of looking at this search now. if you're an optimist, you're saying it took 18 missions to

find air france. bluefin-21 is only on its 14th mission right now. if you're a pespessimist, as on u.s. official told reuters, then you're saying this is going to take years. they don't have a real idea where this plane is. it's only an educated guess. a good educated guess, with a series of mathematical ecase qus and trial and error. so far bluefin-21 is on its 14th mission. about 95% of the initial search zone, located about six miles around pinger location number two. pinger number two was the strongest signal that ocean shield detected a few weeks ago. if they don't find anything, and so far they have not seen a single thing, if they don't find anything, they're going to move on to a broader location around that same pinger location that they're searching right now. day 50 and still no sign of the plane. day 50 and the families are just as angry as ever about 100 loved ones staged a sit-in at the

malaysian epbambassy demanding meeting with the malaysian ambassador. still noens ans for them. the frustration is growing. it has no end in sight. we don't have any clue as of now where this plane could be. alex. >> all right, katie tur in perth, thank you so much. joining me now, congressman jim hines. thanks for joining me. i know you heard our correspondent report about these two camps of the optimists and the pessimists. with everything you've seen, where do you stand? >> well i don't have any insight that anybody else doesn't have. the fact -- we've got no facts on this thing. it's been months and months, certainly weeks of just spinning and speculation and whatnot. i am on the intelligence committee so i have access to some stuff that most people don't, you know, there just are no facts here. if there were, we wouldn't be in this situation of people having

the kind of frustration you just described. it's a massive amount of open space. there were very bad mistakes made that probably made it very difficult or impossible to ultimately find this plane. >> let's get to the drone strikes. as you well know, early this week, there were a couple of large ones in yemen followed by rates from yemeni troops reportedly aided by american pilots. officials are saying that more than 40 suspected militants were killed. have you seen any intelligence indicating high level people were killed? >> i'm not really at liberty to discuss the specifics of particular operations. but, you know, i can assure you that the attempts to find some very high value targets in yemen and elsewhere -- yemen is obviously not the only place where we are looking for senior members of al qaeda and other terrorist offshoots, that is the priority. without question, the priority is going individuals. the press has identified some of

them who are not just soldiers but organizers of this system. we will be very aggressive in going forward, going after anyone high value or simply lesser value but planning to attack americans. we will conduct those raids. >> how about this? were the strikes at all connected to that new al qaeda video which rather surprisingly showed that large group of militants in yemen, which included the new al qaeda number two? >> alex, our attacks are almost never driven by the media of the other side. as you might imagine, as i think you know, our intelligence community, our department of defense, does an enormous amount of work to identify, then to follow for very lengthy periods of time the targets that we have to make sure we know who they are, to wait for that opportunity when they can be taken off the battlefield without, as they say, collateral

damage, without killing civilians. and there's an enormous number of people working very, very hard to set up what are these attacks. and they're almost never driven by whatever the pr or the media work that the other side does. >> i'm going to play a little bit of the president's drone speech from last spring, which is echoing your sentiments here. let's play that. >> america does not take strikes to punish individuals. we act against terrorists who pose a continuing and imminent threat to the american people. when there are no other governments capable of affecting the threat. and before any strike is taken, there must be near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured. the highest standard we can set. >> i want to take the first part of what the president said there. can you say with certainty these militants we've gone after posed a threat to americans?

>> in this business, we can never say anything with total certainty. that's why the president uses the phrase near certainty. but these are very risky raids. risky in the sense that they can go wrong. risky in the sense -- this is why the president uses the word near certainty. that innocence can unfortunately from time to tyke be killed. because the consequences are so serious, this is not something that is undertaken lightly. the people that we go after, we collectively, the united states government, people have probably studied for years. or are they doing things affiliated with groups, obviously building bombs or planning bombs or training for guerrilla or terrorist activities. these are, again, these are not raids that are undertaken because somebody looks bad, because we got a tip from somebody else's intelligence service or because somebody released a video. these are undertaken with a lot of due diligence.

>> one could argue, sir, that the raids by the yemeni forces that followed our drone strike showed the yemeni government is capable of effectively addressing the threat. why also do the drone strikes which often kill civilians and in this case three reported deaths? >> i think -- let's be clear about this. particularly in the past, there have been civilian losses and that's morally reprehensible. it's also counterproductive to the counterterrorism effort. you kill civilians and obviously people take note of that in these communities and people probably sign up with the other side if that happens. that said, the intelligence community, the department of defense, others, have i think done a good deal better in the last couple of years at doing what the president demands of them, which is only launching these raids when there is near certainty. obviously, you can't be perfect. so in warfare, there are from time to time mistakes and bad

outcomes. again, morally reprehensible and counterproductive. but no, this is not -- just the fact we do work in concert with the yemenis doesn't mean we always will or that they are always capable of achieving what we want to achieve. we always worry about whether the other side's military or intelligence community is penetrated by agents of al qaeda or others. we've seen that time and time again. we share intelligence and, lo and behold, the bad guys disappear. so there's always a tension there. we want to work with our party ins. we trust the yemeni regime to do the right thing. that doesn't mean they have the same capability we do to keep americans safe. >> always a pleasure, thank you so much. the faithful flocking to rome to witness an historical moment in the catholic church. hey! so i'm looking at my bill, and my fico® credit score's on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is...lisa? julie?!

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at the center of american political and economic life is that there is terrifying degree of stagnation in the broad middle of the economy. people's real wages aren't improving. their prospects aren't improving. that discontent is the driving force for a lot of our politics, left and right. >> what's surprising as well, the poor in much of europe appear to earn more than in the u.s. i mean, how can that be reversed? >> the answer there is that in europe, all of this is after tax. so europe taxes people a lot more and gives a lot more money to their poor people. i mean, that's it. it's a policy choice. taxation rates are very high. if you do a list of countries of percentage of gdp that goes to taxes, we're 20th, something like that, right, so there's denmark and all the scandinavian countries and you work your way down to us. it's a policy choice. those countries made a policy choice that they don't want the

poor people -- they think there's a standard above which everyone in there society should live. a brute fact about what it means to be a dane. what it means to be a spaniard. >> what about the divide? i mean, that report last week that said the average ceo makes $11 million and the average american worker makes, what, less than accelerating inequality. one the things in "the times" piece about the american middle class is that even that is no longer the case that the american middle class is the richest middle class in the world. the richest rich people in the u.s. are the richest rich people in the world. right. >> right. >> like the top is still doing the best of anywhere in the world. and, you know, again that's the other side of this sort of underlying set of economic circumstances that i think drive a lot of politics in this country. >> the affordable care act. the president announced last week 8 million people signed up.

is this now the law of the land and no one's going to be able to overturn it? >> yes. >> what are the republicans doing? you think they'll have more votes? >> i think they are genuinely at a loss. i think you're trying to see it all turn around. repeal is not popular. it's not popular according to "the new york times" kaiser polling that came out yesterday. i mean, georgia, louisiana, north carolina, arkansas, the law's not popular. it's not super unpopular. it's just not super popular. and repeal's even less popular. people do not want the law repealed. when that number goes from 8 million to 9 million or from 15 to 20 and 20 to 30, you take it away from 30 million people. >> so a third rail, if you will, like social security -- >> yes. >> how long do you think until it gets there? >> a generation. >> a generation. so there will be fights until then? >> there's always going to be fights. we still fight about medicare, right?

so there will always be fights. but you will not see people talking about -- no one -- no one who -- no one comes out and says let's repeal social security, let's repeal medicare, right? so the idea of repealing is just going to be preposterous. that might happen in much -- might happen in five or ten. >> got to talk about kids. >> i've got a 2 -- almost 2 1/2-year-old named ryan, my daughter, and my son who's 4 weeks today named david. and my wife's incredible. the kids are incredible. it's great. i love it. i really love it. >> you're probably having a lot of daddy/daughter bonding time, right? >> that was the best thing about paternity leave. was we -- my daughter and i spent so much time together. and it was so intense. and she was so affectionate. and it was really important for me to be there from a kind of attention standpoint which is she was just this volcano of emotion. >> she has you right here, doesn't she, just kind of wrapped?

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60 years since the supreme court ruled that separate but equal had no place in american schools, an explosive new report looks at how segregate persists in some classrooms today. it's called segregation now it the talks about resurgence of separate and unequal education in the united states. civil rights reporter nicole wrote that piece. she joins me now. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about your report which focuses on schools in alabama. explain what is happening there and why you chose to focus on the south. >> i focused on the south

because contrary to popular belief, the south went from the most segregated region of the country to the most integrated region of the country and it's been that way for 40 years. largely because of court orders that forced the south to desegregate. over the last 20 year, those court orders have been being lifted. many southern districts are starting to resegregate. >> is this a problem exclusive to the south? >> oh, absolutely not. the difference between the south and the northeast and the midwest is that the northeast and the midwest have never really undergone major desegregation. the most segregated parts of the country for black students are, in fact, outside the south. because the south did so much work in this area and also educates the most black students, we have the most to lose there. >> so okay who -- why is this happening? give me the background and who's being most adversely affected by it, if you can be expect. >> okay. well, what's happening is when districts were under court order, any move that they would make that could possibly do with

see segregate had to go before the judge. this gave the plaintiffs a chance to say don't rezone in this way because it's going to further segregate students. once those court orders are dismissed, districts can do almost anything they want as long as no one can prove they did so with the intent to discriminate. what happened in tuscaloosa, tuscaloosa had been forced by a judge to combine its two largely segregated high school into one citywide integrated high school. as soon as it was released from the court order it split it into three schools including one that was entirely black. >> so if court-ordered desegregation mandates have proven to be effective in the past, why are they being lifted? >> beginning in the early 1990s, the supreme court made it clear that these orders were not to be permanent. it made it much easier for school districts to be released. they no longer had to show they had eliminated all the vestiges

of segregation but only that they had tried to do so and had made a good faith effort. so i also think there's a great deal of fatigue. many people, including judges, believe that these orders have lasted long enough. >> you know, a kodiccord to a r study, schools in new york state with the most segregated. what's your reaction to that? >> it's true. the reason that is true is because there's a great deal of residential segregate in the northeast. new york city is one of the most highly segregated cities in the country. you see that reflected in the schools. and also frankly in the northeast and the midwest there's been very little political support behind efforts that would help to integrate these schools. >> in your reporting, are there ideas on how to reverse this trend? >> well, yeah. there's ways that you can do it. magnate programs. you can open up -- instead of drawing attendance zones around kind of very compact segregated

schools, you can draw attendance zones that draw from both white areas and black areas. there's a lot of different ways that can be done. but i think the difficulty is mustering the political will to do so. >> how about the public will as well? the folks in alabama that you went and interviewed, nicole, how do they feel about this? how aware are they about this? how much do they want change? >> well, i would say political will is driven by public will. the public were crying out for integration in the schools, then that would happen. but that's not what -- at least the people who are most powerful in communities are not asking for it. so in alabama, there's a great deal of denial. there's a great deal of denial that even though one-third of black students in tuscaloosa can attend school there, entire 13 years without ever having a white classmate, they will tell you they have uphold their duty to integrate. i guess communities are denying the harms that are being caused. >> so 60 years ago to now, how

far have we come? >> well, we've certainly come a great deal from 1954. what george wallace and what other segregationists wanted was that white children would not attend schools with black children. those days are largely gone. there haare there few all white schools left in this country but there are a lot of all black schools. you could say the segregationists didn't win but the integrationists haven't won either. >> your takeaway from all this, everything you've learned, is what? >> well, the takeaway is our educational system is still separate but unequal and i think we have at this point gone back to believing that we can make these segregated schools equal and we have yet to do so. >> nicole hanna jones, great piece, thank you for talking with me. >> thank you for having me. violent storms headed to the nation's midsection. the very latest in a live report. plus, an historic vote on the campus of northwestern university. mao it could change the landscape of college athletics.

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all roads lead to rome. st. peter's square is packed with pilgrims. ukraine's on edge as he renew a crackdown on insurgents. >> america's 100 million gun owners will not back down, not now, not ever. >> tough talk from the nra. how could gun rights advocates be so worried when there are many new laws allowing more firearm freedom? and who's left in the wake of that nevada rancher's racial remarks? who's still daring to defend him? >> day to all of you. just a little bit before 1:00 p p.m. in the east. a powerful springtime weather system is threatening millions

right now from texas to the carolinas. this, after several twisters were seen in north carolina yesterday. it was also hit hard by hail. some giant pellets fell from the sky forcing some police officers you see there to rub for cover. the weather channel's dr. greg postel. >> we have a shot at severe thunderstorms today. with cities included omaha, wichita, oklahoma city, where torcons are 4. notice the start times on this. we've got 8:00 and 9:00, meaning most of the day is going to be pretty quiet. the stuff doesn't get going until much later on this afternine or this evening if at all. we have to watch this closely this afternoon. one of the reasons why it will take a while is because the upper level energy is still out to the west. this is the upper level energy that's associated with a system that's going to be giving us

several days worth of severe weather. but it's still way out to the west. and only slowly introducing some of those strong winds aloft out across the rockies and plains necessary to get those thunderstorms going in the first place. with all that said, once that does get into play, once the thunderstorms are going to start up, they will have a lot of available energy to work with. this is called a convective available energy. meaning the amount of energy the thunderstorms will have at their disposal if they do get going. this evening and early tonight, that cape or available energy will be at the high end of the scale. meaning those thunderstorms, if they do develop, will be able to get very tall with strong updrafts and potentially produce severe weather. not everywhere in here will we have thunderstorms. but the idea is that they'll have a lot of energy to work with. they will also have significant amount of wind shear. meaning low level winds coming

out of the southeast and midlevel winds coming out of the southwest. and increasing in speed. that turning of the wind, an increase in speed with the wind shear, that's going to impart some rolling motion in the atmosphere. gently so. even without the thunderstorms. but we the thorunderstorms get going, they will likely tap environmental wind shear and turn it into their updrafts so updrafts will rotate and that means updrafts will occasionally produce tornadoes. they may do that later on this evening. later this afternoon, right along this dry line, 7:00, 8:00 tonight, the coverage is not real great, it's only isolated at best. there's a cap in place but if these storms do get going, watch out for the possibility of storms across the plains this evening, including the possibility of tornadoes. guys, i want to mention sunday, we have the possibility of severe weather here across parts of the arklatexes where our

torcons go up, up to 7. >> thank you. new today, the u.s. and other nations in the group of seven say sanctions against russia could come as early as monday in response to its actions in ukraine. at the same time, the pentagon says rushsian fighter jets have repeatedly flown into ukraine's airspace. now one of the tensest borders in the world. let's go to the white house and nbc's kristin wecker. what are you hearing about this new round of sanctions? >> according to senior administration officials, these new sanctions will likely target high-ranking officials who are close to putin. what the administration calls putin's cronies. the administration would like this round of sanctions to target russia's sectors, mining, banking, energy sectors. but it doesn't appear as though there's an appetite for that amongst european's allies

because europe's economies are so closely linked, the various countries within europe, to russia's economy. so taking a big bite out of russia's economy could ultimately hurt america's european allies. it looks as though this next round will focus on targeting individuals. the decision to impose an additional round of sanctions came after president obama spoke to the g-7 leaders while he was traveling in south korea yesterday. according to a readout of that conference call, all of the readers agreed that russia has only escalated the tensions in ukraine due to those military exercises that you described. instead of deescalating the crisis. remember, they agreed to sign a pact to deescalate the crisis. that geneva pact. there was consensus russia has violated that and only ramped up tensions along ukraine's border. here's part of the statement that was released by the g-7 leaders. given the urgency of securing the opportunity for a successful

and peaceful democratic vote next month in ukraine's presidential election, we have committed to act urgently to intensify targeted sanctions and measures to increase the costs of russia's actions. alex, again, it could come as early as monday, which would mean they would go into effect while president obama is still traveling in asia. he's in malaysia right now, his next stop is the philippines. this crisis in the ukraine has overshadowed much of his trip to asia, which is aimed at reinforcing america's ties to that region and really pivoting to the asia pacific region. alex. >> thanks for the update, thank you. new this hour, a fierce battle of words is play pg out right now between two party leaders. it began earlier with house speaker john boehner delivering the republican weekly address this morning. >> president said he wanted this to be a year of bipartisan action. well, it still can be. we just need to get his party's leaders in the senate to take up

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far as campaign contributions are concerned. the federal election commission is again considering allowing campaigns to accept bit coin donations for the upcoming midterms. the group acting for approval says it will limit donations to just $100. the fcc failed to limit another proposal by another group a few years ago. >> i'm clay aiken. you might wonder why i'm running for congress. >> the former "american idol's" first campaign ad for congress. aiken talks about his rough childhood in the ad. he's running as a democrat in north carolina. gary johnson says he hopes to run for president again in 2016. the former governor says he'll run as a libertarian. in 2012, johnson picked up 1.2 million votes. president's in malaysia today. speaking at his earlier stop in seoul, he issued a message to the regime just across the dmz.

>> 300 people have a choice. they can choose to continue down a lonely road isolation. or they can choose to join the rest of the world. seek a future of great opportunity and greater security and greater respect. >> joining me now, author of "nuclear showdown," north korea takes on the world. nice to see you. >> thank you, alex. >> let's talk about the message the white house is sending with this trip and these stops. how do you interpret it? >> what the president is trying to do is reassure friends and allies because we really haven't spent enough time with them in the region. what we've done is we've really been looking to china. we've been feeding their already inflationed sense of self-importance and they become more arrogant and belligerent and that's counterproductive. >> this is perhaps for you the most notable aspect, that he's not going to china. why do you think that's so important? is it really about sending a

message to everybody else or is it about a message being sent to china? >> messages are being sent to china as we spend more time with our allies and friends. the transpacific partnership agreement which is this large proposed free trade deal is very important now in this stop in malaysia as it was in japan. that would tie the region together, especially to the united states, in a high-profile trade deal. that's a very important thing for us to do. we also need to reassure our allies that we will protect them in the event of the chinese attack. because the chinese have been grabbing territory from its neighbors over the last couple of years. that certainly has unnerved the region. >> you're talking about the japanese, the senkaku islands? >> there, they're trying to, with very provocative acts of sending their vessels into japanese waters and airspace. i'm referring to the scholl which they seized from the philippines and the united states did nothing. that really got our allies upset

because they're wondering if we will defend them. >> the president's saying for the first time america's security agreement with japan covers these islands, the senkaku islands in the east china sea. will that message reverberate in beijing? >> it already has because the beijing diplomats have reacted very angrily to that. that was a very important thing for the president to do. what he said was also said by secretaries clinton, hagel and kerry, but the chinese needed to hear it from the president himself. so that i think was a very good start to a very important trip. >> as you know, the white house has long talked about a so-called pivot to asia. we have ukraine boiling over. syria, mired in civil war. iraq once again descending into bloodshed. can that pivot really happen? >> well, it can happen and it needs to happen. and perhaps the president needs to pivot everywhere. because diplomacy is connected.

one of the reasons why japan and south korea are so concerned about the united states is because of indecisive diplomacy on syria. and so these crises can spread from one part of the world to another. the president needs to be strong and firm in all of them because the possibility of this spreading around the globe is really very high. >> i'm curious from a financial perspective here, gordon, good news, in fact, for the u.s. economy. the report from the boston consulting group ranked the u.s. as being number two in global manufacturing competitives behind only china. do you agree with that assessment? and how would an american resurgence affect asia? >> i agree because we're starting to see manufacturing come back to the united states for a number of reasons. and we've also seen competitive -- competitiveness in china erode because wages are going up well in excess of productivity and we're starting to see the chinese enforce some of their environmental laws which has been really detrimental to manufacturers.

we see manufacturing especially at the low end leaving china, going to places like ba bangladesh, indonesia, and some coming back to the u.s. it will affect asia because we're starting to see manufacturers understand the benefits of really building things closer to consumers. >> okay, gordon change as always, thank you. tomorrow for the first time ever the catholic church will proclaim sainthood for two popes at the same time and more than 1 million people are expected to gather at st. peter's square for the canonizations. pope john xxiii who led the catholic church until 1963. our reporter is joining us from rome. let's talk about the atmosphere there around rome and st. peters square. looks like you have some weather you're dealing with maybe. is that true?

>> right here in st. peter's square, you can see there's nobody because preparations are still under way. now, the pilgrims will be allowed here only tomorrow morning, about 15 hours from now. let me show you what's happening behind the camera. now, you can see, and i'll get the camera to pan it, there are thousands and thousands of pilgrims who are already ckeyin up here because they want to come in 15 hours earlier. they want the front row of the biggest event the catholic church has arguably staged in its history. the canonization of pope john paul ii and john xxiii two the most popular popes in history. now, this -- let me just move the camera to show you. these are the authorities who are trying to stop the pilgrims because of security reasons. but the pilgrims here have sleeping bags and they're even arguing with the authorities. the situation seems to be almost

out of control, because, and i hear a big noise here, and i don't know what's going on, but they have sleeping bags because they want to -- not to be stopped by the 1 million pilg m pilgrims that are expected to come here. they want the front row to -- we are not even blessed with good weather, but this is what pope john paul ii and john xxiii is doing to st. peter's square, it's utter chaos here, alex. >> they're just packed in and those sleeping bags in the rain. a difficult and long night. i'll ask you about these two popes. they certainly differ from each other in their leadership and philosophies. put this into context about their approaches. and their canonization to sainthood. >> well, they are known as the two great modernizers of the catholic church.

john xxiii started the second vatican council and modernized it to the world. paul ii was the great missionary, the one who brought the new catholic church to the world, with more than 120 trips outside of italy. well, they're very similar also in the way they reached sainthood, for instance. both of them were favored by exceptions. as you know, you need -- the vatican needs to recognize two miracles for someone to be recognized as a saint. john xxiii was recognized only one and pope francis waived the other one while pope benedict xvi the successor of pope john paul ii waived the five years period you need to wait for -- before you can even start the process of the canonization. john paul ii is going be to one of the fastest canonized saint in history. of course, as you said, they're also controversial.

not everybody was impressed or happy with the modern take by john 23rd on the catholic church, especially the traditionalists. john paul ii was criticized heavily by many for closing an eye or two on the sexual abuse scandal by priests on children that slowly eamericaed during also his pontificate. nevertheless, more than 1 million people are ready to celebrate these popes. many of them, as you can see, thousands of them, can't even wait for tomorrow morning to get here. they'll do anything to get a front row at this massive catholic event. this is why they're calling us pope-pa pa loose za. this is not like a tradition of the making of a saint. it looks like the day before a rock festival almost. >> when they open those gates, you got to get out of the way. thank you so much. we invite all of you to join our

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health groups say attract kids to try e-cigs for the first time and can get them hooked. >> let's show the one we have featuring je ining jenny mccath >> blue satisfied me. i get to have a blue without the guilt because there's only vapor, not tobacco smoke. that means no ash, no odor, which also means i don't get the stink eye from others. >> so tv ads spending for e-cigarettes jumped to $15 million in 2013. what is the reason behind the fda not including a tv ad ban with these new regulations then? >> so this is the first time the fda has really tried to kind of tame this wild west of e-cigarette manufacturing. so they did say if they have enough evidence to show the tv ads are having a negative impact on young smokers or getting people addicted to nicotine, that they might try to outlaw them or control them at a later date. but that would be a separate

rule making process that wouldn't happen for a couple of years at least. >> and your highlight also -- the article also highlights anti-smoking groups that are worried about e-cigarettes spike in popularity because we still don't really know how safe they are, right? what do the experts say? what do we know about their safety? >> right. we do know that nicotine is addictive and they have nicotine. these have only been popular for about six years so it's not really enough time for studies to have been conducted to show whether or not it negatively impacted your lungs to inhale the propylene gicol that's in them. there's some evidence they do help people who smoke regular cigarettes quit if they switch. but other studies show they get people interested in smoking regular cigarettes. so the fda does hope by having rules like this, that they can get a better handle on who smokes e-cigs.

>> not a lot of people are quitting these things because they netted sales of over $2 billion in 2013. talk about the new rules proposed by the fda. >> i think they actually see it as a positive step. just because it helps even the playing field. they have to register with the fda. what kind of standards they have to meet. before it was kind of, you know, the wild west so at least this evens out the playing field for them. a lot of tobacco companies see e-cigs as kind of new frontier and they're trying to market them to somebody who might be interested in a new cigarette so i think they see this as an opportunity. >> are there any numbers on the amount of people with that are using e-cigarettes? >> the numbers i have is it's

about 6%. a pretty small fraction of the tobacco market. but it is gaining some popularity and attraction among young people. among high schoolers who said they have tried, it was 5% in 2012 and that jumped to 10%, so just one year and you have double the high schoolers that said they've tried one. so that's a little bit of a cause of concern for some advocacy groups. >> absolutely. thank you. it is the one thing that keeps so many people from succeeding. the so author of the new book thattic mags the claim join us next. and it could change college sports forever. cars are driven by people. they're why we innovate. they're who we protect. they're why we make life less complicated. it's about people.

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nbc's katie tur has more from perth, australia. katie, what happens next? >> what happen next, if they don't find anything in this initial area theemy've been search, they'll move out to a broader area. they're searching a six-mile radius around pinger location number two. that's where they had the strongest of the four signals. 95% in and so far they haven't seen anything. they're going to widen their search area. they also might bring in more sophisticated submarines that can go deeper and send real-time data back up to the ship. it depends whether or not you're an optimist or a pes met. you're going to say it took 18 missions to find air france. if you're a pessimist, you're going to say, well, this could take years. they don't have any real idea where this plane is. a series of mathematical equations and trial and error. remember, though, we're only on mission number 14 for bluefin-21 and if you're going to take the optimists side, that's four more

missions until they found air france. they did have a lot better idea where air france was located. theyed an a flight path. they had a debris field. this really is just a very educated guess. a lot of scientific technology. a lot of big brains out there trying to figure out where in the world this plane could be. alex. >> all right, katie tur, thank you. football players at northwestern university could change college sports forever. they vote yesterday on whether to unionize. the ncaa and northwestern are blitzing the idea. joining me now is the assistant managing editor of sports illustrated. welcome. this is something that's been a hot button issue. so many people weighing in on it. it's probably going to take a few months, right? northwestern asking whether the players have the right to organize in the same way workers can in the private sector. these votes are sealed until that question decided. but how would unionizing work in college sports?

>> it could work in any number of ways. that's why there's some trepidation about it. if they are employees, basically, they will have the right in the union to collectively bargain. so far, the players have -- their spokespeople have basically been talking about things like improved medical care, concussion testing, expanded meal services and scholarships. all those kinds of protectionist things. it can lead to you could collectively bargain for anything you want so it could lead to them being paid and other thicks. >> northwestern is against the idea of paying its players. here's how the university responded to this yesterday. let's take a listen. >> northwestern has been a leader in a lot of the things that the union has raised. extended medical benefits for players, four-year scholarships. these are things that northwestern university already

does. we're a leader. our students are leaders. we intend to continue to be. >> if the union does get formed, it would mean the players get paid. perhaps they could share some of the massive merchandising, jerseys with their numbers or posters. what is the university's next move if a union vote happens? >> well, if it becomes a union, first of all, northwestern is being a little defensive. it's kind of understandable. they have a good academic record. they do a lot of good things. in a way, they're the test case. this really isn't about northwestern of course. it's about the larger landscape of college football, college basketball and all of that. the likeness issue was a huge can of worms. we see all the merchandising, which along with television money is a huge, huge part of the money that comes in. there's another suit by a guy from ucla that's begun in 2009 and it now looks like it will be

heard. which is also seeking players to be able to get compensation for their likenesses and things like that. there's been a ground swell of stuff which has led up to where we are now. and so basically what we're seeing, this is a pivotal moment in the history of the ncaa. and there are changes coming. >> so but not all players are for unionizing. we had northwestern player colin ellis telling msnbc while the union could serve as a blueprint for other schools to adopt and possibly create change in the ncaa, i was personally not willing to risk all that i have at northwestern for the potential for change within ncaa. give me the perspective of risk for a player from unionization. >> it's really a good point because right now many athletes have a very good relationship with their coaching staff and they have a very good life in college and they're playing a sport they love. and there's a lot of good to be said for it. really what it amounts to is

there are people who get a serious injury or some circumstance that puts them at risk of losing the life they had and the way they're being sort of compensated in terms of scholarship and all of that and that's what this is all about, it's about people who don't have it well. so a lot of athletes are afraid of shake things up because they're like, listen, i have a great career here at northwestern. i don't necessarily want to jeopardize that. >> do you have wisdom on how this vote will go down? >> it's hard to say. i mean, it is secret. it is impounded, as you said. there was the push among the players themselves to vote no to this union. so the educated guess is they will not vote to unionize. nonetheless, if they are deemed employees, they still have things, rights to compensation. even if they don't vote to unionize. so they still have a lot to gain by the mlrb rulings.

>> okay, thanks so much. now to an eye-opening new book which looks at why many women still lack confidence no matter how they've accomplished. it's called the confidence code. the science and art of self-assurance. what women should know. and the book's co-author claire shipman is joining me now. you remember back in the day, the makeup room? we'll have a few secrets. between us on that. >> we'll keep that quiet. >> it's really good to sea you. i'm so glad to have you on. you did some great work here. you met with many women in positions of power. many seem to lack a certain boldness, as you put it. what are women doing wrong? >> it's really interesting. it's not so much -- i want to say women are doing anything wrong, it's just we were really struck by how many quite successful women do seem to lack confidence that is often subtle in ways. for example, here's one of the best examples we found.

hullet packard did a study and it's since been replicated elsewhere that women will tend to apply for promotions when we feel we have roughly 100% of qualifications for the job. men will do it at 60%. so imagine what that sort of self-perception, self-judgment does over the course of a career. one other study we found fascinating, men and women take the same test, they score the same, but when asked how they did, before they know, women routinely underestimate how they've done. men are overconfident about their performance. >> so, is this something that we're not taught? i mean, is there a way you can see we can break this cycle? >> i think so. we've really dug into every aspect or confidence. it was a lot more complicated. we ended up getting into science, neuro science, genetics, and then also society, upbringing, environment. we found out, for example, confidence is partly genetic. we had no idea there are a number of genes that contribute

to something like confidence. we did dna tests. neither of us have particularly confidence genes. we also found in terms of gender difference, genetics isn't as important as a few things like testosterone which really pushes risk taking and risk taking we found is critical for confidence. what we also found which is the great news is that confidence is probably at least half controlled by the environment but it's something we can build ourselves and in terms of brain plasticity and rewiring our brains, it's actually pretty easy to accomplish. >> so we've all experienced people that we can say are overconfident in their demeanor. so explain the difference to me, between someone who's confident and someone who's just, you know, a jerk. >> that was a central question in our book. so many women often view confidence as synonymous with arrogance or, as you said, being a jerk.

do you have to be a jerk to be confidence? the answer is no. i think what we found is sometimes that aggressive-like behavior which is talking first, interrupting, announcing things without thinking them through, from our point of view, that's just classic male behavior. that doesn't have to look the way confidence would look in women. confidence is, for us, at heart, the stuff that turns our thoughts into action. and that's a critical and simple definition for women. so so much of what we do is ruminate, think, get everything perfect. spend all this time on things. sometimes we need to just act a little bit more. act, risk, fail. those are the things that actually will build our confidence. >> there are times, though, and i'm sure you've experienced this where you're listening to somebody who appears very, very confident but you're kind of rolling your eyes because you're thinking where's the competence level here. i mean, what is more important, confidence or competence? >> ah, yes, another tricky question.

there is somebody -- a professor whose research we actually didn't want to include in the book because it was so disturbing. he's at berkeley, cameron anderson. he has found that confidence can be every bit as important as competence in many cases.dispmd so many women, it's the obvious. he's measured confidence in a lot of his college students in a very sophisticated fashion and found those who exhibit clear confidence are the ones who are respected more, viewed as the leaders and have their ideas listened to more and our conclusion in the end was -- and this a very important -- the gap between confidence and competence cannot be too big. if you're going to err one way or the other, having a little bit more confidence is a good thing. it be for

it forces you to act instead of holding back. our conclusion is most women aren't really in danger of crossing the line so if we can nudge everybody just a little bit, you know, we'll be better off. >> okay. poster child here for confidence and competence. claire shipman, good to see you. good luck with this book. i'm really glad you've written it. it's called "the confidence code." one state lets you take a firearm into an airport terminal. and the nevada rancher who still hasn't paid what he owes the government so what's next. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. if you have a business idea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom.

it's time for the big three. today's topic, beef, beef, gun show. msnbc contributor goldie taylor. republican strategist joe watkins. and democratic strategist maurice reed. maurice here in the studio, not like in paris as usual. all right, first, let's go -- he is is he's always globe trotting somewhere. let's talk about beef beef. i could just say rancher cliven

bundy, discuss. and it would probably take off. let's focus a bit more on this. what is the government going to do next? what can it do next? >> nothing, let this man do what he needs to do. it's not even really important. there's so many more important things going on in the world. hate when we waste time on these distractions and side bar. the president and the congress and the rest of the government has so much to do in focusing on the economy and making sure we get immigration right. this is a distraction. i really think we should focus on other things. >> i do want to finish a little bit more before we move on. goldie we talked about this before with the big three. all that's transpired this week, what's your overall assessment? >> i think while the politics are surrounding this are fairly significant. client bounty's life in and of itself isn't significant. the significant part of this is there is a system -- a group of people, you know, living in the plains or rural areas of this country who do not believe that

they should participate in the full of this constitution. and that is really kind of scary to me. this could have turned out very badly. the fact of the matter is, he owes $1 million to the federal. for grazing fees, for late fees, for court costs and all. he needs to pay that money. and so -- and for him not to pay it, for us not to force him to pay it, is to tell every other rancher in this country that if you don't believe that the constitution applies to you, that you too can declare yourself a sovereign citizen and not pay your way. >> joe, should the gop as a whole be somewhat embarrassed that some pretty high-profile republicans took up his cause? is there any defending your party? >> i agree with the chairman of the republican national committee ryan prebus who said what mr. bundy said was an absolute embarrassment, that he absolutely disagreed with him and says he's 100% wrong.

for me and anybody of color, how do you get past those kinds of remarks, saying that black people were better off in slavery? i don't want to be stereotyped by anybody. anybody saying that in the 21st century is way, way, way out of the mainstream. so, yeah, republicans are distancing themselves from mr. bundy and from the remarks he made which shows he's clearly not in lock step with very many americans at all. >> did you like his apology? he said i still stand by what i said. >> like, okay. all right. let's move on here. to gun show. the nra's annual meeting is going on right now in indianapolis. here's nra executive vice president wayne la pierre. >> do you trust this government really to protect you and your family? we're on our own. nra's 5 million members and america's 100 million gun owners will not back down.

not now, not ever. >> okay, so this convention's taking place at a time when we're seeing according to the critics an extreme expansion of gun rights. georgia's governor just signed the so-called their firearms in, get this, bars, schools, church, and some government buildings. goldie, you're there in georgia. did you get a sense of popular support of this measure? and are people packing heat there? >> i got a sense of almost no support. this is almost like the cliven bundy issue. selling this on your own politics. it's really pretty scary. this governor has signed into law an on-your-own kind of mentality that you should take a gun to a bar where who knows what happens. you can take guns into schools if your local school board really approves that. you can take guns into church if your church leaders say so. in the places where we least need, least should come to rely

on guns, that's where we are expanding these gun carry rights. this on-your-own mentality doesn't belong in our politics. >> there's a lot of republicans showing up at the nra convention. i guess you could say the georgia law is a victory for the group. do you as a republican like being associated with the idea that guns can be carried into so many public places? >> i think what makes america great is we have freedom to make our own decisions. i happen not to own a gun. there are other people, democrats and republicans, that are friends of mine that own guns. they ought to have the right to do so because the law gives them that right under the second amendment. at the same time, the thing they really worry about are, of course, the illegal guns. i worry about people who are carrying, who may have mental health issues or people who get ahold of guns that are registers to somebody but have mental health issues and do horrible things. that's what i worry about more than anything else. i think we need to not stereotype the nra but think also more broadly, how do we

stop terrible incidents like the ones that happened this week and the ones that have happened in connecticut and other places where lots of innocent people have been killed by somebody who was mentally disturbed. >> so morris, we have guns in airports. you have guns in schools, churches. guns in bars where people start drinking and then, you know, all bets are off. what's your take? >> i think it's ridiculous. i think until we start to challenge the nra -- and i think we should be applauding mike bloomberg, who put up the money to take these guys on. until we challenge these guys, they're going to hide behind this we need protection. at the end of the day, we have a gun problem in this country. we need to fess up and deal with it. until we put our money where our mouth is and fight these guys for every district -- because the reason the republicans are running behind this is their voters. until democrats put their money where their mouth is and start fighting back, we're going to continue to have a problem. when you have kids dying and people not understanding there's a gun problem. we're the only country in the

world that has a gun problem. instead of dealing with it, we're doubling down. >> okay. big three with three their best and worst coming up. th nicoderm, the unique patch with time release smartcontrol technology that helps prevent the urge to smoke all day long. help prevent your cravings with nicoderm cq.

it's time now for the best and worst of the week. goldie, you're first. >> my best of the week is sonia sotomayor who put out an indictment on her fellow justices who seem to believe racism has died in this country. my loser of the week,ing inwee the remarks that have been put out from donald sterling about banning his girlfriend from bringing african-american men to games. if that's true, it's deplorable. >> okay. joe, yours? >> my best would be the story about boston and its resilience in the face of this with this new marathon that just happened this past week. what a great city. boston strong, wonderful, great to see it. worst story, of course, mr. bundy. >> yeah, well, we've gone there. and morris doesn't want to talk about it anymore. let's get to yours. >> my winner is "time" magazine

100. lots of women and diversity. congratulations to them. my loser was obama's asia trip. he went there, maybe he should have rethought it. didn't get a deal done with japan. >> all right. good to see you guys. thanks so much. i'll see you all back here tomorrow at noon eastern. up next, craig melvin. an hurt y. what if you didn't know that collisions with wildlife on the road may not be covered? and that you could be liable for any accidents on your property? the more you know,the better you can plan for what's ahead. talk to farmers and get smarter about your insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum - pa - dum, bum - bum - bum - bum♪ [announcer] call 1-800-farmers and see how much you could save.

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